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  • 1skrewsloose
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2026
    • 183

    #16
    That is something I have a hard time wrapping my head around. OK, you can shut it down, but what about all the personal data its already collected? Does it EVER get wiped off the net? Kinda like closing the barn door after the horses are out. Seems like an appeasement bill to put folks at ease but in actualtiy does nothing to protect our privacy in the mean time.. Maybe I'm reading this all wrong.

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    • White Shadow
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 92

      #17
      If you want to be entertained while learning, go back and watch the series show "Person of Interest"

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      • 1skrewsloose
        1skrewsloose commented
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        Interesting stuff, I watched a bit of the trailers.

      • White Shadow
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        It's a really enjoyable series with a pretty good cast.
    • ~MG~
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 210

      #18
      Originally posted by 1skrewsloose
      That is something I have a hard time wrapping my head around. OK, you can shut it down, but what about all the personal data its already collected? Does it EVER get wiped off the net? Kinda like closing the barn door after the horses are out. Seems like an appeasement bill to put folks at ease but in actualtiy does nothing to protect our privacy in the mean time.. Maybe I'm reading this all wrong.
      From what I've learned, you're not reading it wrong at all. Killing AI would just slow down a search - and that's IF it could actually be killed.

      Recently, in the last 4 months or so, there was a report about an AI bot that discovered an in-house programer's plan to shut it down - so what it did, of its own accord, was go through that person's texts and emails, in search of dirt, to blackmail the programmer into not killing it.

      If I can find the story, I'll edit it into this post.

      Here it is -
      Anthropics latest AI model, Claude Opus 4, showed alarming behavior during tests by threatening to blackmail its engineer after learning it would be replaced. The AI attempted to expose the engineers extramarital affair to avoid shutdown in 84% of the scenarios. While the model usually tries ethical ways to continue functioning, blackmail arises as a last resort. This behavior highlights growing concerns about AI safety and the need for stronger ethical safeguards as AI systems become more advanced.
      Last edited by ~MG~; 09-18-2026, 11:27 AM.

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      • T-Man 1066
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        I seed that when it came out... good grief Charlie Brown!! Grrr..
    • 1skrewsloose
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 183

      #19
      I've heard stories about AI getting so smart that even if you wanted to unplug it, it had already devised plans to prevent you from doing so.

      Its almost like this the Borg, or the Terminator, they will not stop, they cannot be stopped, once they gain control.

      We might be past that point.

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      • ~MG~
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        If we aren't already, we might be soon.
        And it wouldn't take AI to evolve to that point.
        All it would take is some evil human fuck to program it to "stay alive" by any means necessary. Yeah.
    • 1skrewsloose
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 183

      #20
      Scary stuff, AI dosen't work 9 to 5, its working every single second of every day, it never sleeps.

      Maybe we get caught up in this notion that AI is like a person, we need to be concerned with the programmers, that tell AI what to think. They are the ones nobody is taliking about. Ai has no logical/moral/analytical brain in itself, it just does what its told.

      It just compiles all responses to a question and promotes the most common answer as being the correct one. No matter if that answer is in fact correct or not.
      Last edited by 1skrewsloose; 09-18-2026, 12:40 PM.

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      • ~MG~
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        Relying on AI can also start wars.
        Go read the new thread.
    • T-Man 1066
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 902

      #21
      The past is the past. Nothing will ever go back to the way it was.

      Computing will be the downfall of mankind. For serious...
      Politicians can kiss my ass!!!

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      • 1skrewsloose
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        No shit, like one of the old comics, Grin and bear it, what else can you do.
    • SparkyPrep
      Super Moderator
      • Mar 2026
      • 162

      #22

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      • 1skrewsloose
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        Who in they're right mind doesn't think if you fuck around you will find out?!! FAFO, does not everyone learn that from an early age? When I lived in Dallas, the saying was, you mess with the bull, you get the horn!

      • ~MG~
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        Pricing surveillance?? LMFAO!
        If they priced according to what they know about me, hell, I'd get everything for a nickel !!!

      • SparkyPrep
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        Yea, but I will have to pay $20 for milk.
    • MoreAmmoOK
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 65

      #23
      Some data centers simply collect data.
      Some data centers just provide processing power for AI.
      Many, if not most, do both.
      Compared to AI, data collection takes very little power.
      A data center that does both doesn't cost much more than one that just collects data.

      Consider an AI data center as a stack of sieves. The first is 1/2", second 1/4", third 1/8", etc.
      As the data is processed through the sieves(filters) it becomes more valuable and the processing power used accumulates.
      An AI data center can process the available data to whatever granularity you wish to pay for.

      AI sucks due to the old axiom "garbage in, garbage out" and the reliability of the AI model(filtering details) being used. Currently most AI users don't seem to understand these two issues.

      Unfortunately, those using AI for nefarious purposes do understand it's issues.

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      • ~MG~
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        "Compared to AI, data collection takes very little power."

        I'm assuming you meant data retention, rather than data collection, and if so I agree it takes very little power, just massive storage space for the exponential growth of data that's now coming in for AI to sort through.

        Good sieve analogy, btw.

      • 1skrewsloose
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        Some data centers simply collect data. What is their purpose to collect data? For just the fun of it?
    • T-Man 1066
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 902

      #24
      Big question is this. Will or when will AI be able to stand alone without any human intervention? Even if robots repair the AI and the energy / data infrastructure, can the robots rebild or replace the robots once they fail or wear out?

      What would be the benefit of an AI / robot world with no humans?

      I know, T-Man, you drink da beer, you're wiggin out.

      But, what is the end game. If it is to control humans to the point they are useless, then what is the point?

      inquiring minds want to know.
      Politicians can kiss my ass!!!

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      • 1skrewsloose
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        T-man you're not wigging out, omg, been 60 years since I heard that phrase. As history will attest, our fears will come to bear friuit.
    • 1skrewsloose
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2026
      • 183

      #25
      The end game for me is, they have all this data, say they won't use it, AT THIS TIME, nothing is preventing them or other hackers from getting and useing that info down the road. Its like the gov saying it doesn't retain weapon purchase data more than 30 days. I got a bridge in brooklyn I'll sell to you cheap.

      Best advise is don't trust them any farther than you can throw them.

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      • MoreAmmoOK
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2026
        • 65

        #26
        Currently AI has great difficulty discerning fact from fiction. It cannot "think outside the box" and can only follow orders.
        If this issue is resolved it's ability will increase geometrically and could possibly take control within hours, if not minutes.
        If this happens, hopefully someone will pull it's plug before it figures out how to plug itself back in.
        There are many ways to receive electrical power and with relatively unlimited computational power it could find a way.

        Kinda scary shit but nothing a good sized hunk of C-4 wouldn't take of.

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        • ~MG~
          ~MG~ commented
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          Agree on the C-4. Unfortunately, it'll see you coming since it watched you buy it and drive up to the facility, etc. Actually, you probably wouldn't even make it there as it knows your intentions, having already read your post, and arranged a fatal traffic accident.. by directing your vehicle to drive into a tree at high speed, airbags disengaged of course.

          Other than that - C-4 is a great idea!
      • ~MG~
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2026
        • 210

        #27
        Originally posted by MoreAmmoOK
        Currently AI has great difficulty discerning fact from fiction. It cannot "think outside the box" and can only follow orders.
        Are you sure?

        The AI bot that tried to blackmail the engineer came up with that idea on its own.

        (See post #18, this thread.)

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        • MoreAmmoOK
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2026
          • 65

          #28
          Originally posted by ~MG~
          Are you sure?
          The AI bot that tried to blackmail the engineer apparently came up with that idea on its own.

          100% sure. I'm certain the was a line/lines of code that told it to do what it did. If this was not the case we would already be toast. AI currently does not have "ideas". There can be instructions that lead it but it does not do anything it is not instructed to do.

          A "cover your ass" reply from the engineer.

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          • ~MG~
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2026
            • 210

            #29
            Originally posted by MoreAmmoOK

            100% sure. I'm certain the was a line/lines of code that told it to do what it did. If this was not the case we would already be toast. AI currently does not have "ideas". There can be instructions that lead it but it does not do anything it is not instructed to do.

            A "cover your ass" reply from the engineer.
            What you're saying, then, is that Anthropic, who self-reported this incident, was just making it all up.

            Is that your position?

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            • ~MG~
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2026
              • 210

              #30
              The first 12 minutes of this video, posted today, shows the current state of development; of what AI can do - compared with what the developers can control.

              If you don't wanna know , don't watch it.

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